The feelings explain the lack of logic, but not always the resulting statements.

Knowing the facts doesn’t change a persons values and moral issues. It simply gives them cause for justification and explanation. Personal issues significantly change the ending results of the discussion. No solution can be found when this happens.

But more than anything else, there’s a limitation on comprehension that happens when people become emotionally involved in the process of discussing legal issues. The lack of ability to keep an open mind and look at the purpose behind the issues is more emphatic than the issues themselves, which means that essentially, nobody wins because emotional upheaval disrupts the solution.

Political discussions get heated because people allow their emotions to lead their logic.

Jan

I find it intersting that you think I’m angry. I’m not.

I’ve had a lot of political discussions recently, a few debates (I’m an often requested speaker at local political events, because I have the ability to discuss the issues, without personally attacking or relating to the positions), and often work both parties as a judge, because the people on both sides know they can count on me.

During the fair, I was in an area surrounded by democrat candidates, operating a booth for the Historic Society. One of the democrats had meetings during the week and would leave his booth in tact and asked me to watch over it and hand out his fliers and brochures.

My purpose is to educate people about the candidates, and about voting. We have a responsibility to vote. It’s more than a privilege. No matter what side of the ticket you’re on, it’s a responsibility to maintain freedom. If the majority choose Obama, so be it. He’s not my choice but this is AMERICA where the majority rules, via Democratic Process.

I’m a firm believer in God and I believe everything that happens is God Filtered. I believe that our president is part of that system, whoever s/he is. We have a God given right to freedom of choice and I believe that God allow us to make decisions and to bare the consequences of those decisions. As a citizen of this country, we have the same right/responsibility to make those decisions and bare the consequences.

Jan

Jan,
What I meant by being on Ghandi’s side is that he and I were on the same side of the political spectrum. It doesn’t mean that I believed everything he said. I do agree that Ghandi was a great leader and I would agree with every quote you have there.

I never insinuated that you were not intelligent because you had your own beliefs. I just thought that maybe you didn’t have all the facts to understand why I have made my decision. I think that you are a very intelligent person and I have never in this discussion said anything to the contrary.

Sorry you are so angry, because I didn’t do this to anger you.

Barbara

You said, “I am on Ghandi’s side and you are on the other side. ”

Perhaps you need to study Gandhi further:

It is unwise to be too sure of one’s own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err.
Mahatma Gandhi

One needs to be slow to form convictions, but once formed they must be defended against the heaviest odds.
Mahatma Gandhi

When I dispair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it — always.
Mahatma Gandhi

Gandhi would make his choice based on what he believed was Right and GOOD and Honorable, with an understanding of the facts at hand. Then he would stand on what he believes. Never in all the quotes I’ve seen from Gandhi, has he ever implied a person with a different viewpoint was less intelligent, less informed, or less capable of making their own choices than he. Gandhi isn’t particularly one of my heros, nor is he specifically not someone I would honor. I believe he was a great leader. He also found himself to be at odds with government, with the law, and with people on numerous occasions. That didn’t mean he backed down or failed. It simply meant he believed differently and stood on his own convictions. I would personally call him a success, because he believed in something strongly enough to stand his ground. That’s a honorable position.

Once again, I did not start this discussion, you sent the first email. I’ve simply responded to your comments and your arguments.

Jan

Okay, Jan. You have your facts. But I am not talking about the candidates that I support. I knew that Hillary Clinton had lied and that Obama is not “lilly white”.:) But I was referring to facts about Palin and what is now happening with the investigation in Alaska and a few other things about her that I don’t like. But we are not going to talk about anything more. It’s as I thought. You have your facts and I have mine. I knew all that about the candidates and your argument about the pensions is one I have heard before too.

Let’s leave this discussion and go back to writing.

Barbara

I’ve been so busy posting and emailing, I forgot to check the comments that were posted on my site… LOL

At any rate, I thank you so much for your support and encouragement. I believe my strong point is having the ability to believe strongly, search the facts and understand why I believe, and still have the ability to look at the whole picture to make my decisions.

As always, your posts are welcome and appreciated here.

Jan

I fully agree with you that anyone with any sense would be able to use simple facts to determine who they’ll vote for in November. Presuming you’re an intelligent woman with a reasonable amount of good sense, well informed and the ability to make logical decisions, here’s some facts you can’t argue with!

How To Save the Government $5 Million. A president’s pension currently is $191,300 per year and ends when they turn age 80. Assuming the next president lives to age 80. Sen. McCain would receive ZERO pension as he would reach 80 at the end of two terms as president. Sen. Obama would be retired for 26 years after two terms and would receive $4,973,800 in pension. Therefore it would certainly make economic sense to elect McCain in November. How’s that for non-partisan thinking???

No other economic argument makes as much sense as this one, because they just don’t hold up in reality. Arguing that one presidential candidate lies more than the other one isn’t a good argument, anyone with a lick of good common sense knows better – they’re all politicians. Arguing that one has any better moral values with people who demand separation between church and state doesn’t work, without a religious foundation (aka. The Ten Commandments) there are no values. Arguing ethics or personal quality doesn’t work, because there’s always something in their past that isn’t revealed.

Biden was caught plagerizing several years ago, admitted it, and apologized for it.

Obama’s resume is well padded with community activism in association with a liberal aggitation group most known and sited for voter registration fraud in the nation.

Obama has numerous associations with socialistic marxists, beginning with Saul Alenski (not sure of spelling on his name) from Harvard. Innocent association – there’s an oxymoron for you!

Nothing Obama (as a law student) wrote in Harvard is available for citation or reference. Interesting skill he has there, attending law school at Harvard – unpublished.. HUMMM

Obama’s wife’s publications were locked after he began campaigning for office. Hummm (again)

Obama was born outside the USA. His citizenship is suspect at best. Isn’t there a law about that? Yes, I know his mother was from Kansas – but was she STILL a citizen?

These are just starters.

When speaking in FACTS, you need to use FACTS you can count on, from sources that are reputable and verifiable.

Topic closed yet?

Thanks, sis. a very worthwhile and intelligent bunch of answers.

well done.

Lin Hummel

Thank you for sharing this, Marylou. It’ is QUITE insightful and interesting. I agree with most or all of it and will share it with others in my address book. Please pass along to your friend Jan that I’ve really enjoyed reading her insightful responses to someone who, obviously, isn’t up to snuff.

Always, in Christ,
April